What are the best way of telling someone that he is a pathological liar and he can really believe it and go for help?
This isn't easy and the person may know and just be taking advantage of you?Traditionally sit down and talk to them about it.I think perhaps if you kept a diary of their lies and showed it to them.However they may not be a pathological liar especially if your the only one he's lying too?If your completley positive that they're suffering from this condition you can phone their dr and discuss your concerns. The dr can't discuss his medical information with you but he can listen to your concerns and make him an appointment raise the issue with him and refer him to a psychiatrist. x
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Pathological liars - or "mythomaniacs" - are people who engage in objectively puposeless story telling behavior. The stories they tell are not the products of delusions and se…rve no external purpose other than to inflate the value of the teller in the eyes of the listener. The actual existence of mythomania separate from other diagnoses as a symptom set is a controversial topic in the mental health field. The symptom set for Mythomania is strictly limited: 1) The subject is not delusional and the stories they tell are at least technically plausible. If the subject is actually delusional, a diagnosis of a condition with psychotic features is more appropriate. 2) The tendency to construct such stories is non-transient, and long lasting. The story telling behavior is an actual personality trail. 3) The tendency is clearly non-situational and the subjects motives are objectively internal. The stories are not lies told from fear, or to cover a long pattern of misconduct (spousal abusers and confidence tricksters for instance are not mythomaniacs although they often construct elaborate webs of lies for years to cover their abuse or trick their victims. Such lies are situational and objectively external. The abuser is attempting to evade punishment). 4) The stories tend to present the teller in an extremely positive light, but otherwise provide no material benefit to the teller. The story may suggest that the teller is intensely brave, wealthy or may know many famous people, but the teller derives no benefit from fostering this belief, other than people believing the story. The term is often misused to refer to those suffering from histrionic personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder. The following comments basically reflect a pathological liar who has the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder. Some Characteristics : . Exaggerates things that are ridiculous. . One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better. You will never top them in their own mind, because they have a concerted need to be better than everyone else. This also applies to being right. If you try to confront an individual like this, no matter how lovingly and well-intentioned you might be - this will probably not be effective. It's threatening their fantasy of themselves, so they would rather argue with you and bring out the sharp knives than admit that there's anything wrong with them. . They "construct" a reality around themselves. They don't value the truth, especially if they don't see it as hurting anyone. If you call them on a lie and they are backed into a corner, they will act very defensively and say ugly things (most likely but depends on personality), but they may eventually start to act like, "Well, what's the difference? You're making a big deal out of nothing!" (again, to refocus the conversation to your wrongdoing instead of theirs). . Because these people don't value honesty, a lot of times they will not value loyalty. So watch what you tell them. They will not only tell others, but they will embellish to make you look worse. Their loyalty is fleeting, and because they are insecure people, they will find solace in confiding to whomever is in their favor at the moment. . They may be somewhat of a hypochondriac. This can come in especially useful when caught in a lie, for example, they can claim that they have been sick, or that there's some mysteriously "illness" that has them all stressed out. It's another excuse tool for their behavior. . Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very clear over time. They usually aren't smart enough to keep track of so many lies (who would be?). Another Wiki s contributor adds: . They lie about even the smallest things. For example, saying "I brushed my teeth today," when they didn't. . They add exaggerations to every sentence. . They change their story all the time. . They act very defensively when you question their statements. . They believe what they say is true, when everyone else knows it isn't. An alternate 'checklist': . Lies when it is very easy to tell the truth. . Lies to get sympathy, to look better, to save their butt, etc. . Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes anything they ever say. . May have a personality disorder. . Extremely manipulative. . Has been caught in lies repeatedly. . Never fesses up to the lies. . Is a legend in their own mind. More opinions and input from Wiki s contributors: . I have found a few differences in pathological liar and a "slime ball" liar. Pathological liars cannot tell that they are lying; they actually believe the lie as soon as it comes out of their mouth. They lie about unimportant things that don't really matter to anyone. This can be caused by mental defect but isn't always. Slime-ball liars lie about things that make them look better or embellish to get attention. They also lie to keep their butts out of trouble and to get what they want. . Here are things to ask yourself: How could this many things happen to one person? Would believe these stories if someone else told you? Think back to the beginning: you had red flags and alarms going off in you head. Learn to trust your instincts. . It is very hard to tell when one is a pathological liar. Some people just are liars and lie to lie because they can and they don't care about getting caught and aware that you know they have lied. These people care not about lying, it's no big deal. It's like "ok, so what? I lied". The pathological liar on the other hand, IS aware that they are lying BUT will go to extremes to make you believe that they are truthful. They appear to believe their own lies BUT in truth, they know their lies are just that, lies. But because their efforts are constantly backing up their lies, it appears to us that they actually believe their lies, when we eventually do find out about them and then we tend to feel sorry for these people. Then they have an excuse, "I am sick, I don't know why I lie, I believed what I was saying etc." The only truth was the fact that they don't know why they lie. Other than that it's crap. It is true that most of them have an extremely low sense of self worth and are continuously trying to make themselves feel better about THEMSELVES and this is one reason they lie. It is about them but the lies are not always set up with the purpose to hurt some one else; it's that these people feel so low about themselves they need to create ANYTHING different from the ugly reality they feel about themselves so they lie about even the most tiniest little thing. The people closest to them get sucked into these lies which sometimes start as something very trivial and then turn into something that can turn everyone involved worlds upside down and inside out. . Unmasking the pathological liar is an easier task when the pathological liar is no more than a casual acquaintence to the "un-masker." Close relationships provide camouflage for the pathological liar, and intimacy provides a heavily-fortressed breeding ground. . Other indicators: 1) Rage attacks after they realize you're questioning their lies. 2) Distraction techniques, e.g. hanging up the phone when you catch them in lie, playing word games, or even just running out of the room. After using the distraction technique, or rage attack, or sometimes both, they will pretend that nothing ever happened. They re-write history, so it never did happen in their minds. Normal people do it too, but these people take it to the extreme. . From "Go Ask Alice": Lies are unplanned and impulsive. Behavior is repeated over a long period of time. Lies don't seem to exist for any external reason. Behavior may not always be a conscious act. Lies are admitted, changed, and/or adapted if a false story is challenged. . From Andrea Broadbent "The Truth about Truman": To begin, the definition of pathological actually means abnormal or grossly atypical. Therefore, a pathological liar prevaricates more frequently than the average person or tells more abnormal lies. In most cases, pathological liars tell lies that are "unplanned and impulsive" (Hausman). These lies are usually very emotional stories that tend to serve no purpose except to impress people (Ford 133). As of now, psychiatrists are unsure whether or not pathological liars are fully capable of realizing if and when they are lying, so detecting whether or not a person is a pathological liar is a very difficult task (Hausman). By looking at the list of conditions commonly connected with people considered to be pathological liars, psychiatrists are better able to determine whether or not a person might actually have the disorder. Some main qualities linked with pathological liars include dysfunctional family origin, family lying patterns, anomalies of sexual life, frequent substance abuse, and a great capacity for language. . From Raymond Lloyd Richmond, Ph.D. "Psychological Honesty": Even a pathological liar carries deep in his heart a desire for goodness and honesty and yet, because of painful emotional wounds, believes that the world never has, and never will, recognize his pain. And so, to hide that pain from himself, he uses all the lies he can concoct to hurl at the world as he runs in fear from his own goodness. . For me, the first indication has been that I hear them tell different things to different people and they can't all be right, because they directly contradict each other! And I am able to prove it. If you can prove over and over again that things someone is telling you are outright false, then you have a pathological liar on your hands. . With the Internet, it is now easier than ever to "fact-check" even the most mundane things. I think pathological liars often lose track of all of the lies they tell different people and it will eventually catch up with them.
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Answer . I would have to say that you just have to be around them long enough. Check out what they say to you. Ask about what they said earlier. Eventually they will start …tripping themselves up. They will eventually forget what they told to whom. Hope this helps you some.
Is it because you have bipolar disorder that your fiancee doesn't believe you when you tell him that you think he is pathological liar?
I don't think it matters whether he believes you or not, nor does it matter if he believes you. The fact is that you are battling a very debilitating condition in bipolar diso…rder, and really the last thing you need around you is someone YOU BELIEVE is a pathological liar. Truth to you is how you perceive it, and you might have good reason for believing he is lying about something, or a lot of things. Did you ever hear the expression that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you? It means that if you believe he is doing something around you that he needs to lie about, repeatedly and methodically, it's time for either a new guy, or no guy at all while you get your disease under control. THere are lots of nice guys who don't lie out there. You need one of those, but not until you are well again, or at least have it under control.
Pathological liar is hard to noticed, it often exaggerate issues. Person may not be lying deliberately. He or she would think and believe in their lies completely. Their daily… life often includes such far fetched sentences about many things. Pathological liar often lie in situations whenever they find it easy to do so.
The best way to tell if someone is a pathological liar, is to catchthem in their lies. If you cant determine that they are a liar,it's best not to trust them until they prove …otherwise, to keepyourself from getting hurt.
You can tell that someone is a pathological liar if you catch themin lies often. If you consistently think that someone is lying,this could mean they are a pathological liar.
Pathological liars are those who tell lies at every givenopportunity and it is a way of life for them. As such, pathologicalliars never tell the truth because they are incapab…le of doing so.
The definition of a pathological liar is a person who is compelled to lie and deceive regardless of the benefits or costs to that person for doing so. For instance, a patholog…ical liar may lie and say he only has a pencil when he also has several ink pens that he could loan to another person. There is no gain in lying this way - the liar has no benefit from the deception - and there is the potential for significant social harm - the person being lied to may feel rejected or distrusted, causing him/her to socially isolate the liar. However, a person is not considered a pathological liar in several situations. First, a person may lie continuously and thoroughly to protect himself or someone else; an example of this would be denying a child from an adulterous relationship for years. Second, a person may lie routinely in social functions, such as by responding "I'm doing good" in response to typical social greetings even though the person may be facing a diagnosis of cancer and be worried about having his house foreclosed upon. This is an accepted statement in normal small-talk and light social conversation in the United States, and some people don't regard this as lying at all. Third, a person may verbally state a lie, but give sufficient non-verbal communication to reasonably inform another person that the words are not true. An example of this would be someone stating "I love having to work 12 hours on Sunday" while at the same time using a low, growling tone of voice and narrowing the eyes and drawing the eyebrows down. This would be more likely seen as irony or sarcasm rather than lying. . It is a condition that usually starts in childhood. Children often tell lies to avoid getting into trouble and as they get older, they begin to tell other lies .In HS, it begins to get worse as they cut classes and when caught by the parents and question the teenager about their supposed cutting of classes, will blame the school, saying it was a mistake. They may run up a large bill or credit card bill as an example, have the bill sent to a friend to avoid their boyfriend or spouse from finding out. It soon becomes a circle of lies to the point, they will deny any situation when caught lying about it. For the most part, they don't even realize when they are telling lies because they have been telling lies since childhood. It's very complicated and best answered by a Psychiatrist or Mental Health Advisor who work with Pathological liars. It is a sad situation as it drives a hole between the child or young adult and their parents or siblings,
You don't. YOU GET AWAY FROM THEM. (see definitions of Narcissist and Sociopath)
After reading this you believe your sister is a textbook pathological liar because EVERY characteristic listed she has so what is the best way to help them see their problem and get help?
First of all, it is almost impossible to influence family members to get help for their problems. It is too easy for them to deflect your comments back in your direction. This… is true of even everyday advice, and the more serious the issue the less likely you are to be able to effect change. Pathological lying is falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime. 1 It is different from other forms of lying, in that the lie seems to be the reason in itself, rather than an attempt to deceive. Often the person believes all or part of the lie himself. Pathological lying should not be confused with lying for a purpose: to get one's own way, avoid repurcussions, manipulate, etc. These may occur often, but they are not pathological lying. At present there is no legal definition, and no treatment that is known to be effective. ____________________ 1 Charles C. Dike, MD, MRCPsych, MPH, et al.. "Pathological Lying Revisited". Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law
that's joke , you know it. that's good don't be trapped
Don't date them. You cannot have a good relationship with someone you cannot trust.
a scumbag narcissist
If she is always lying to you, then she is a pathological liar.